Relic trials require dynamis now

[Zumi]

So what are we going to do about this? Continue to do dynamis or stop now. Because relic people will need different runs then everyone else. Probably see a lot of shout groups for glaicer since thats what most relics take it seems. But horn and shield take different zones.

Only have 2 lockouts per week could take 3 weeks just with doing your zone and I think the trials can be trio or so pretty easy if people make their own runs.

[Enelia]

My aegis requires 3 kills of the dynamis-bastok boss to reach level 80
the unlock for 80-85 is 3 kills of the jeuno boss.

It says Kills: 3 that doesn't mean killshot does it? ;_;

I havn't checked the gajallarhorn requirements yet. I'm terrified now.
#1 Goblin Golem x3 Jeuno (80)
#2 Tee xicu x3 Windurst (85)

[Alarial]

Interesting...

[Zumi]

All the melee weapons require 5 attestation nm kills in Beaucedine for their respective weapon.

Are we going to continue to do dynamis or should we like join pick up groups make our own groups? If people need -1 gear obviously it wouldn't be Beaucedine. I am sure relic owners will be shouting for Beaucedine runs and they can probably be duoed too at this point.

[sueno]

A few things to think about:

1.Would you waste your 500k on a /shout pty when you have no clue how the other ppl play their job(alot of relic users are bought accounts)

2.If lvl 90 is 5 attestation nm you can bet lvl 95 will be 5 animated weapons(think you can duo/trio all the nm and zerg the animated weapon at lvl 95?)

3.With the introduction of shield/horn trials we get a possible look at the relic armor trials.(SE said they will let us upgrade them to match the af3)Most likly they will use cop zone bosses(valkrum-head bubu-hands qufim-feet tav-legs/body) for each piece to keep ppl doing all the zones(rdm hat+1 equiped when killing valkrum boss 5 times or pld body+1 equiped when killing tav boss 5 times)

4.While it is possible to farm city zones with 2-3;killing the boss(which cast death often)is another story

5.While certain people have made it very apparent they want the linkshell to end;can you really say dynamis as a event is over?

[Zumi]

I could very easily 3 man it. Since Attestation NMs are not an timed encounter. I have tons of gil could buy hourglasses myself.

However Dynamis with this LS may not be over so soon based on this development. I may be organizing the runs to give Papillion a break soon. Recruitment may open up again soon but all the details aren't worked out.

[Izzy]

People have been trioing attestation NM's for at least a year now.

This is not new stuff.

[Papillion]

Who are the active relic holders? Zumi, Ocyris, and Riloth? (then teo, carm, jay, izzy if they want to finish?) It wouldn't be a big deal to get their weapons to 90 before dissolving if that's what people want. I don't mind going for a few more months but I need help. I don't have time to do it on my own. I am also inclined to say no to new members with relics. The reason is: I am 99% sure, they would finish their trial and we would never see them again.

[Enelia]

I have the lolRelic called Aegis :/ and my other character has Gjallarhorn

I'll be trying to get PLD up on Enelia now that they've gotten those trials in.
Ocy has horn too right? I'd REALLY like to leech wins with Leknaat for horn if possible.

[Papillion]

You can't 'leech' but you can play that character for those runs. You can't receive any AF on it and Enelia would not be able to enter. I.E. No dualboxing in Dynamis

[Enelia]

That works

[Alarial]

Can we rotate in cop zones so I dont have to stab my eyes out for city runs ....

[Papillion]

Can we rotate in cop zones so I dont have to stab my eyes out for city runs ....


Yes because I will also stab my eyes out

[Enelia]

Despite how much I want to get these trials done. Even /I'd/ stab my eyes out.

[Zumi]

I did ask my friend who has a relic if he wanted to join but he was more interested in low manning.

[Papillion]

I'm not interested in more people with relics. The linkshell does not need people that will show up only to finish their relics. We can do any zone with the members we have.

[Zumi]

He didn't want to join anyway most likely people with relics won't want to join if we not only doing glaicer. It can be easily 3 manned pld, rdm + anything else

My view is a bit different then yours. I rather get more people to get these zones done faster, hardly anyone needs anything af gear wise. So I wouldn't object to getting new people that might want af2.

I can take care of finding people if you want and everything else now so you won't have to do anything. I don't mind helping people out even if they only need a few runs like I was going to ask Lonekent to come when ever we did the glacier. I think we need more people like 5-10 more. To make the runs finish faster and not take 3.5 hr. Having people with relics is a good idea in my opinion.

[Thalmalkrichten]

An interesting development, but not completely surprising. I'm one of the newer members in a very old linkshell, and doing some of this might give me a shot at some of the few af drops I've not picked up yet (like a sorcerer's coat I'm convinced those beastmen stopped making just to make me wanna punish them more =s).

I would be willing to help out here. It also gives me something to do as abyssea is making me wanna /wrists most days. I've seen very long 8-9 hour runs there, but I'm not looking for a second job with no paycheck. Dyna is nice because you have a set time limit, and you don't wind up spending the better part of a day (or week, or month, see where im going with this?...) in the place.

To those who truly are tired of going on runs, please by all means stop. This is a game and its supposed to be fun. Ive noticed things not being very much fun before in this game, and I find myself avoiding those situations. I cannot say I would blame anyone that's done say.... 7 years of dynamis and does not want to do more.

And please no one stab your eyes out, I like cop zones too cause they are short as all of you probably do. The thought of spending 3 (or more) back to back runs in dyna-sandy would literally make me mad enough to punch holes in my walls =X Would I refuse to sign up for that kinda thing? Hell yeah I would. :mad:

[Penty]

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[Riloth]

I'm ok with continuing DB past the end of the year now that things have changed for some trials. I think that the majority of current membership probably wouldn't mind it either, as it was mentioned that it would give a chance for some of our current newer membership a shot at af in some of the zones we haven't visited recently.

I don't see a need to get new membership just yet though. Level cap has increased again and that should offset the need for new membership to accomplish the goals we'd have (eg: zone bosses). At 85 we already can clear all bosses within the 3.5 hr mark, the rest of the time we devote to farming, level 90 will only speed things up a bit more. I would much rather not make commitments to new membership if/when the linkshell truly decides to end it's run.

Having DB be the only dynamis ls I have been a part of, I'm hesitant in letting people in just for the sake of letting them in, I've already seen enough people that were only around up until their goals were met to leave immediately that I'm not inclined to want it now. We are more than capable to accomplish the zone goals as we are now.

Ril

[Papillion]

He didn't want to join anyway most likely people with relics won't want to join if we not only doing glaicer. It can be easily 3 manned pld, rdm + anything else

My view is a bit different then yours. I rather get more people to get these zones done faster, hardly anyone needs anything af gear wise. So I wouldn't object to getting new people that might want af2.

I can take care of finding people if you want and everything else now so you won't have to do anything. I don't mind helping people out even if they only need a few runs like I was going to ask Lonekent to come when ever we did the glacier. I think we need more people like 5-10 more. To make the runs finish faster and not take 3.5 hr. Having people with relics is a good idea in my opinion.

1. Zones are on a timer. There is no 'getting a zone done faster'. It doesn't matter if you go with 3 people or 64. Provided you get the time extensions, it's the same amount of time. We will not be going into zones for the sole purpose of the NMS. There will be farming first, as there normally was when we did attestation NMs.

2. We do still have members that want some AF.

3. Why would you want to have people join just to finish their relics when: a) We weren't involved in helping them getting those relics b) the zones can be run with 3 people, as you said, why would we compromise DB? c) if they wanted to do dynamis, we've been around for years, they could have applied at any time

4. I don't mind leading. I just need help. Like make an alliance occasionally or call out AF or something. It's rather difficult to try to juggle 80 things during a run and be effective at whatever job I'm on.

[Alarial]

Since the cap is 90 now, it should be no problem to beat the city bosses with like 10 people. I dont think it will be an issue.

I dont know about making alliances, but I've volunteered to help with in run things before. I dont mind calling af or lotting currency if needed. Especially since we have so much space now :) Not sure how else I could help out, though the database is in need of updating :x

[Teorem]

The database issue is my fault, and I hope to have that rectified by the end of the week. I'm actually hoping to have most of the attendance entered by today if I can get away with it at work, since it's A LOT easier to do things discreetly in a browser window than it is in the game client.

Now that my class is over and I can't take another in the Spring, you'll all be seeing me a lot more than you have over the last six months. I know it'll be hard to contain your excitement and all, but I shouldn't have any problems picking back up responsibilities to ensure that the burnout isn't too severe or sudden as we decide how long we want to extend our current activities.

[Penty]

Now that my class is over and I can't take another in the Spring, you'll all be seeing me a lot more than you have over the last six months. I know it'll be hard to contain your excitement

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[Alarial]

The database issue is my fault, and I hope to have that reticified by the end of the week. I'm actually hoping to have most of the attendance entered by today if I can get away with it at work, since it's A LOT easier to do things discreetly in a browser window than it is in the game client.

Now that my class is over and I can't take another in the Spring, you'll all be seeing me a lot more than you have over the last six months. I know it'll be hard to contain your excitement and all, but I shouldn't have any problems picking back up responsibilities to ensure that the burnout isn't too severe or sudden as we decide how long we want to extend our current activities.

Yay for Teo :) I know what you mean.. I had to stop helping with HM ls admin stuff when I got a new job last year and couldnt work on it at work anymore >< Running a ls is damn hard work.

[Zumi]

According to people that did do dynamis like 1/3 of the mobs drop AF now with level 90 thf.

But with current turn out do we really want to continue? Though doesn't really seem like a lot of people want to do this some more. Maybe have a poll or something.

[Chupie]

I'm still a relatively new member but I could try putting alliances together. I find it fun to do stuff like that, all I'd need to know is which zones require CSS and how many of them. Actually, I don't mind helping with anything, whatever area needs more assistance I'd be happy to lend a hand.

I'd be happy to continue doing dynamis as an ls as long as people can still benefit from it/wish to do it.

Also I agree with what ril said!


hardly anyone needs anything af gear wise. So I wouldn't object to getting new people that might want af2. Implying that the needs of members who have contributed their time and efforts to this ls but still need af are negligible or not worth prioritizing is pretty rude. Just because people don't outright proclaim what they still need or want to you doesn't mean no one needs anything, or that their needs and wants should be marginalized in favor of relic trials and new members. I can understand the linkshell disbanding as a whole due to lack of interest and exhaustion, but please don't use incorrect statements such as "oh no one needs anything why do we bother" as a disguise for your disinterest.

If that's not what you meant, then please consider your words more carefully next time, because it came out as pretty insulting.

[kariessa]

:D;):):o No enthusiasm here lol Looking forward to you being online more often and hope you met your real life goals (for now anyway).

As usual I am willing to help in any way I can. I don't have a relic weapon so I don't need to do the stuff for them but I am always happy to help our relic holding members achieve their goals.

I wouldn't say I need any af still as I have full sets for all my jobs and then some however there are some things I would still like down the line.

With the level cap increase there is much more we can do with fewer people so people that are just plain tired of doing dynamis and want out should be able to leave and not worry about hard feelings. I will clarify, that by leave, I mean don't log on and just not bother coming to a run but post so leadership knows you are tired and need a break from it or whatever.

I will admit to being a bit tired of dynamis on occasion but I have so much fun with the people we run with that I think that outweighs even the tedium of 3.5 hour city runs.

[Thalmalkrichten]

I've already seen enough people that were only around up until their goals were met to leave immediately that I'm not inclined to want it now. We are more than capable to accomplish the zone goals as we are now.

Ril

I'm strongly agreeing with that, and we're more than capable of doing anything in dyna when we have enough people that can actually log on. Updates happen, and rl does throw us all curve balls from time to time. That being said if we do plan to end this linkshell eventually, then I cant see a need to accept new members just for trials.

That preverbial 25 runs to lot the better AFs seemed oppressive at first, but in retrospect I can see that it is done to keep the fly by night crowd out of your linkshell. This should be that way because you cull the ones that can't hack it, and you wind up with stronger (more dedicated) players remaining. Letting someone in for 3 runs to accomplish a goal then seeing them vanish in a puff of smoke does not seem productive or fair to those of us that did work hard to meet the attendance requirements and still maintain that.

Penty I'll send you a tell when my sides stop hurting ;)

[Chaela]

omg... I might even drag my butt on just to harass Teo!;)

[Alarial]

Chuwei is officially my hero, fyi.

[Teorem]

One of the reasons why I closed active recruitment a couple of months ago was so that, as a linkshell, we could focus on sunset and working on the wants and needs of our current membership. Without more people coming in--aside from those new members who have been explicitly picked by the active leadership--there would eventually be a very clear point in time at which we as a linkshell--and not simply a single person within it--could walk away from the event, satisfied with what we have accomplished and what everyone has helped each other earn.

As of this update, there are now new "wants" or "needs" (however you want to call them depending on perceived desperation) related to relic weapons which can renew some interest from some of our core members. At the same time, there is still interest in material/equipment goals that some people are trying for, despite the introduction of the full Empyrean armor sets.

In reality, I expect both interest levels to rise, crest, and fall, and cycle again until the next update. More trials will be likely be added that require activity in Dynamis, but it's far too early to speculate on the path that the Magian system will take with respect to current armor (if they are even upgradeable at all).

If there is enough content AND interest (both expressed AND followed through, in terms of attendance) AND leadership, the linkshell should be able to continue without us having to worry about it being less a group and more a zombie. In addition, with the level cap increasing and smaller groups able to accomplish more, it is not impractical for us to consider even splitting up again to achieve more if the zones are open and the setups are not compromised as a result.

I think it would help us for people to vocalize what they're still interested in at this time. The point is not to identify those who want more than others, but to help us choose a pattern of zones that will keep the interest high and rewards fair.

[Zumi]

I'm still a relatively new member but I could try putting alliances together. I find it fun to do stuff like that, all I'd need to know is which zones require CSS and how many of them. Actually, I don't mind helping with anything, whatever area needs more assistance I'd be happy to lend a hand.

I'd be happy to continue doing dynamis as an ls as long as people can still benefit from it/wish to do it.

Also I agree with what ril said!

Implying that the needs of members who have contributed their time and efforts to this ls but still need af are negligible or not worth prioritizing is pretty rude. Just because people don't outright proclaim what they still need or want to you doesn't mean no one needs anything, or that their needs and wants should be marginalized in favor of relic trials and new members. I can understand the linkshell disbanding as a whole due to lack of interest and exhaustion, but please don't use incorrect statements such as "oh no one needs anything why do we bother" as a disguise for your disinterest.

If that's not what you meant, then please consider your words more carefully next time, because it came out as pretty insulting.

You seem pretty insulting to me honestly. If all the older memebers who didn't need anything out of it stopped coming there would be a pretty empty LS.

There is something called gear progression in mmos. The majority of the gear that is in dynamis has been obsoleted by higher level gear due to the level cap increase. Most of the gear with the exception of a few pieces really isn't too viable anymore due to abyssea gear. A lot of our members got everything they needed a long time ago and just got bored and stopped coming.

A lot of the times I know people don't really need anything from dyanims because and a majority of the items go free lot its very rare someone lots something for their main job. I get the feeling a lot of people come because they just feel obligated to because they got stuff. I ask people if they even need anything just to get a guage if its even wroth running anymore. I never seen you say you need stuff. Like I said before you want to maximize your character damage, healing, and other abilities you probably should be focusing more on abyssea, which just got a heck of a lot easier to do with the 90 cap, and even everything in there with the exception of the newest released can pretty much be duoed.

If you don't want to do trails in the linkshell that is fine I don't mind taking a 3 week brake from LS runs to do relic trails with my friends that want to do it. I been talking to a few people that are interested in doing relic trails. I can be back after that. If its so not in the best interest of the LS to do relic trails.

Some people like myself have been here since the beginning and have close to over 500 runs, and really don't need anything out of it gear wise. You don't have the same perspective as me because you didn't go to like over 500 of these runs. Besides Teorem I don't even think there is any original members that are still active. Its really been a long time.

I don't really understand why you guys are so against getting more people? It would work so much better with more people. I know several people wanted to join that posted on the website or have said so in game. The drop rate has increased by a lot even if you do need whatever gear you will probably get it if 1/3 of the mobs now drop AF armor. I know some people probably did want their friends to join. But we been telling people no we not getting anyone else its going to end soon. Doing a city zone like sandoria with 12 which is what still takes 3.5 hours. If thats not that case if we not ending soon because people want to do future relic trails or whatever like say if they add kill dynamis lord 10 times or something next update, then it would make sense to get some more people.

I said I can do alliances and do runs already.

Some of this stuff I think you take way too seriously, its just a game, and dyanamis is just for some pretty outdated gear and now its for relic trails. I come to the point in FFXI even on new gear I really don't care that much if I get stuff or not doesn't even matter to me. When I see people go nuts over gear in FFXI I always find it silly.

[Chupie]

You seem pretty insulting to me honestly. If all the older memebers who didn't need anything out of it stopped coming there would be a pretty empty LS.


If I wanted to be insulting, my posts would look like yours.

I'd rather have an empty ls than one full of disinterested older members who really don't want to be there.

If all the older 500+run members like you who didn't need anything and don't want to do dynamis anymore then they should stop coming, especially if they're burnt out or disinterested or feel like they're obligated to come but they really don't want to, especially since that sort of mentality generally causes a lack of attention/effort and is not conducive to a productive environment.

You obviously don't know me very well since there's nothing in dynamis I need anymore and it has been that way for a while. Maybe there are some pieces I would like down the line if I ever level other jobs but that is not the reason I continue to do dynamis. I already said that I'd be happy to help the ls with whatever people need, which includes relic trials, even if I don't benefit from it.

Again: People don't necessarily have to tell *you* what they want; maybe they don't want to, or they don't feel like you need to know. But just because they don't tell you personally or explicitly, doesn't mean they don't exist in the linkshell. I know at least 3~4 active members who still wish to gain certain AF from dynamis and some ARE older members. It's unfortunate that you don't realize this.

I'm not saying that the ls should continue dynamis solely for these people, but to not recognize them at all is inconsiderate.

I'm fine with the linkshell disbanding. I'm fine with the linkshell continuing on to help our relic holders finish relic trials. I'm fine with the linkshell ceasing AF farming runs in favor of relic trials because that's what the majority of the linkshell wishes to do or can benefit most from. I am *not* okay with you claiming we should do the above because NONE of our current members need anything from normal af runs.


I come to the point in FFXI even on new gear I really don't care that much if I get stuff or not doesn't even matter to me.If you don't care, then why do you insist on getting new members?

Just because the AF from dynamis can be outclassed from Abyssea zones doesn't mean you should disregard people's individual wishes. After all it's just a game, people should have the choice to pick what gear they wish to have regardless of whether the gear is actually useful or not, I think you take stuff like gear progression too seriously.

[Zumi]

If you don't care, then why do you insist on getting new members?Above all I hate wasting time more then anything else. More people means faster zone clear, greater efficiency, less time spent on them. Maybe people I know actually want something in dyanamis rather then most everything going free lot every run.


You obviously don't know me very well since there's nothing in dynamis I need anymore and it has been that way for a while.Just proves my point about people not really needing stuff. Its a rarity that they do. We can all see the database and how most everyone has a large about of af2. I see 1 person that needs 1 base piece of AF but they are a newer, and another person whos missing like 2 af from city zones but they are on their 7th job. If someone needs something is usually because they went to aybessa exp got some new level 75+ job and want to collect the af2. They usually want it free lot equip just to not go through the process of changing main jobs. Its kind of like way back when where people would have never ending sky runs due to the fact that people kept leveling new jobs and wanted new stuff just because well there really wasn't anything else to do but gear out new jobs in this game.


If all the older 500+run members like you who didn't need anything and don't want to do dynamis anymore then they should stop comingThere's a reason why i still come because I am really loyal and will be there till it disbands. I never liked people getting stuff then stop showing up so I won't do that. I haven't needed anything for a really long time now.

[Penty]

Zumi:
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You seem pretty insul

You literally do not know what insulting is. Don't open your fucking mouth if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, please.

The above quote is where I stopped reading. Why? Because I knew whatever followed it would be purely Zumi-esque and completely retarded. Not that this would surprise anyone, given how perfectly and utterly worthless you are.

Not only are you SO STUPID that we make jokes about you and your nonsense EVERY SINGLE RUN whether you're there or not, but you don't even UNDERSTAND that we're mocking you half the time. I seriously think the "whoosh" of things going over your head is your favorite sound.

You could not even manage to spell "dynamis" correctly in the thread title, and it's plainly plastered all over the website, even on your taskbar.

I mean look, really, you couldn't even put together your post in one try, you had to post it, stop, reread Chu's post six times, and edit it another three or four times. This is how slow you are, you can't even chain together thoughts.
Holy fucking shit

I won't even begin to tell you how many tells of "lol, zumi is dumb" and "LMAO" I get whenever I make a good joke about you in chat because you wouldn't believe me, that is assuming you can even manage to focus long enough to comprehend reading this. Nor will I tell you who sends them because I actually respect these people.

I will tell you that we make bets as to when you'll have to log early, whether it is "have to log for dinner" or "going out with mom have to log" or "someone knocked on my door logging" because nobody expects you to actually be a contributing, useful member.

Just know darn well that it is by far the majority of the linkshell who finds you so detestable as to mock you at every turn.

You are literally proof that Darwin's Law of natural selection is false.

Could you make it more blatantly obvious that you're only in the linkshell for personal gain, I mean really? You've been calling for the linkshell to end since September and now suddenly that magians need dynamis nonsense you want it to stick around. Not only that but you want to invite all your friends to "help" us clear zones we can already clear. Hell freakin' yeah broski.

You've been the most useless leader in the history of all of final fantasy XI, in any linkshell. Ever. You've literally never done anything. You've never put together alliances, you've never called AF, you've never done anything. Even Helm and his taru loving ways were more useful than you, and all he did was call out when mobs used 2hours for reasons nobody understands.

Yet, suddenly you want to lead runs and put together alliances after Papi's been asking for your help for months but you were too busy "logging for dinner" every single run for an hour at a time (nobody's falling for it, by the way) and complaining how you had to go to the run instead of breaking the shell.

Why are you even pretending the run is "TBA", we all know when we log in on Sunday you're going to change it to Beauc regardless of how many show up?

Microwaving a whole turkey? Are you fuckin' serious?

Why are you even still IN the linkshell if you hate it so much that you were hoping it'd die until you needed something from it? I mean, I don't mind you being around, you make for excellent comedic value, but that's about as useful as you get.

Have you ever considered that maybe, maybe some people just come for the hell of it and don't need or want af2? That maybe some of us just come to see people every week and would do it regardless of drops? No. Of course not. You are incapable of thinking beyond your own needs. You are literally acting like a three year old. If the linkshell can't offer you anything you need, nobody can have it, so you will whine until you either get your way or the shell breaks. Nonstop.

Just leave, for the sake of the rest of the shell's braincells. Nobody likes you.

If you think you're better than another because of your possessions or run count you're a shitstain on this linkshell's underwear.


Above all I hate wasting time more then anything else. More people means faster zone clear greater efficiency less time spent on them.

Clearly you deemed any sort of schooling as a waste of time.


OH GOD HELP ME I HAVE TO SPEND THREE HOURS CLEARING A ZONE INSTEAD OF TWO OR MAYBE EVEN *GASP* TWO AND A HALF THE WORLD IS ENDING SEE THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD HAVE INVITED MY FRIENDS TO LEECH AND THEN LEAVE YOU GUYS ARE SO STUPID AND INEFFICIENT THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME EXCUSE ME I HAVE TO GO EAT DINNER.


For years you were just that slightly retarded guy who nobody paid attention to but now that you're actually speaking all you are is annoying.

In closing:

You're a fucking idiot, you're worthless, you're lazy, and you're incapable of doing anything unless you stand to gain from it.

Get the fuck off of DB and try to gain some goddamn respect for life and your peers.

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[Penty]

Don't even fucking reply. Just don't.

[Alarial]

I'm going to pretend like the last 4 posts didnt happen :x

I like going to dynamis because I'm old school. I like the old events and will keep doing them out of enjoyment. I also really like this shell because of the people and want to support everyone accomplishing their goals.

That being said I dont agree with Zumi that no one needs anything. A lot of people are probably just uncomfortable asking for things, because then you get labeled a loot whore. I hate when people complain about items that they want ;; I think everyone does; it's unattractive. I think the main point Chuwei was trying to make was that others dont appreciate it when you speak for them Zumi. Saying that no one wants anything generalizes to all of us and is not necessarily accurate. You've never asked me if I still wanted anything. Please dont speak for me; I do find it insulting.

That's the main reason I was interested in the database being updated. Then I could see who still needs things, though you can't tell interest from that, I guess. I think it's a good idea for everyone to state what they'd like to complete before we end - sort of like a wishlist. We wont be able to finish all of it maybe, but we'd have something to work towards. I'd also like to know that I am really helping others work towards their goals as well as working on mine. Makes me warm and fuzzy.

The main thing I'd still like is sch belt. I'm still interested in side grade +1s since I just enjoy attending dynamis, specifically cor hat +1 and sch hat +1. (Rdm body +1 would be great, but I think that's a pie in the sky dream :) ). Ummm oh and I need blm hands to store if we're doing more windy's. That's it and I'll really be satisfied just with sch belt - I'm also happy to help with relic trials for a few months too ^-^. Let's all get along...

[Zumi]

I can't believe I am responding to this nonsense but here we go.




The above quote is where I stopped reading. Why? Because I knew whatever followed it would be purely Zumi-esque and completely retarded. Not that this would surprise anyone, given how perfectly and utterly worthless you are.

Not only are you SO STUPID that we make jokes about you and your nonsense EVERY SINGLE RUN whether you're there or not, but you don't even UNDERSTAND that we're mocking you half the time. I seriously think the "whoosh" of things going over your head is your favorite sound.

You could not even manage to spell "dynamis" correctly in the thread title, and it's plainly plastered all over the website, even on your taskbar.


No I am not stupid, I graduated 2nd in my high school class with a 3.96 GPA, and have a BS degree from Portland State University. Which would prove that I am not stupid. I am not seeing these misspellings but its easy to make typos, I am not a English major. I do not find your jokes or antics funny and chose not to buy in to them.




I mean look, really, you couldn't even put together your post in one try, you had to post it, stop, reread Chu's post six times, and edit it another three or four times. This is how slow you are, you can't even chain together thoughts.
Holy fucking shit


Because I think of stuff to add or I tend to write something on a forum by editing it later is a problem? I like to edit posts when new thoughts come to mind.



I won't even begin to tell you how many tells of "lol, zumi is dumb" and "LMAO" I get whenever I make a good joke about you in chat because you wouldn't believe me, that is assuming you can even manage to focus long enough to comprehend reading this. Nor will I tell you who sends them because I actually respect these people.


Other people can think what they want but I know most of the people in this and don't really believe this.



I will tell you that we make bets as to when you'll have to log early, whether it is "have to log for dinner" or "going out with mom have to log" or "someone knocked on my door logging" because nobody expects you to actually be a contributing, useful member.

Just know darn well that it is by far the majority of the linkshell who finds you so detestable as to mock you at every turn.

You are literally proof that Darwin's Law of natural selection is false.


I think for the most part its just you who doesn't like me. Yes I have a family and have to log for dinner because the LS is on a east cost schedule because Radav who started the LS was on the east cost. If I did not eat dinner with my family it would be rude. Family is more important then playing a video game. If the linkshell runs were on a PST schedule, for example starting 3 hours later then they do now this would be a non issue at all.



Could you make it more blatantly obvious that you're only in the linkshell for personal gain, I mean really? You've been calling for the linkshell to end since September and now suddenly that magians need dynamis nonsense you want it to stick around. Not only that but you want to invite all your friends to "help" us clear zones we can already clear. Hell freakin' yeah broski.


Because I want to invite more people or some friends I know is such a bad thing. I don't believe it is. Of corse there is going to be increased interest in dynamis now because relic trails take place there. I can change my opinion on what I want to do. Getting gear and thinks done from a linkshell is one of the main reasons it is there.



You've been the most useless leader in the history of all of final fantasy XI, in any linkshell. Ever. You've literally never done anything. You've never put together alliances, you've never called AF, you've never done anything. Even Helm and his taru loving ways were more useful than you, and all he did was call out when mobs used 2hours for reasons nobody understands.


Wrong, I have made alliances and lead a few before when Teorem was the main leader when he could not come on occasion. You used the word never, which makes your statement untrue. But the way dynamisbums has always worked is generally there is 1 person that is the main leader that leads runs does alliances.



Yet, suddenly you want to lead runs and put together alliances after Papi's been asking for your help for months but you were too busy "logging for dinner" every single run for an hour at a time (nobody's falling for it, by the way) and complaining how you had to go to the run instead of breaking the shell.

Why are you even pretending the run is "TBA", we all know when we log in on Sunday you're going to change it to Beauc regardless of how many show up?


Papillion said to me in game the day the update came out that I can take care of pretty much everything that includes leading runs and alliances, along with getting new people but this has to be discussed more. If you don't like me leading runs you don't have to come that's fine with me. I don't know what zone is going to be open at the time because last time people were in a lot of zones during the time we go.



Microwaving a whole turkey? Are you fuckin' serious?


You keep dwelling on this as like a Zumi is stupid because he microwaved a turkey, but as I have explained before it was a precooked turkey. That you basically heat up for 5 min and eat it. Maybe they don't have them where you live but it says on the packaging that you can microwave it. It wasn't a frozen turkey or a fresh turkey that would have to be prepared by cooking it in the oven. I have taken cooking classes I know how to cook.




Why are you even still IN the linkshell if you hate it so much that you were hoping it'd die until you needed something from it? I mean, I don't mind you being around, you make for excellent comedic value, but that's about as useful as you get.



Already been answered, I feel obligated to come because I have already got stuff from the linkshell and would not want to leave until it disbands. Now I have more reason to stay due to current relic trails because of the possibility of future trails being in dynamis. If I left I could easily put together the runs I need and would finish much faster.



Have you ever considered that maybe, maybe some people just come for the hell of it and don't need or want af2? That maybe some of us just come to see people every week and would do it regardless of drops? No. Of course not. You are incapable of thinking beyond your own needs. You are literally acting like a three year old. If the linkshell can't offer you anything you need, nobody can have it, so you will whine until you either get your way or the shell breaks. Nonstop.


Yes I have. If I only thought about myself I would not have came to all the runs I did after I finished my relic. Lots of people stop coming after they finished theirs because they really didn't have anything else to gain from it and dynamis does take up a lot of time. But I am still here now.



Just leave, for the sake of the rest of the shell's braincells. Nobody likes you.

If you think you're better than another because of your possessions or run count you're a shitstain on this linkshell's underwear.



Clearly you deemed any sort of schooling as a waste of time.


I don't believe this because I do know people in the linkshell. Your seem to have the biggest problem with me. If anyone does have a problem then can tell me in game or PM me. However I have heard none of this. I like being direct with people.




OH GOD HELP ME I HAVE TO SPEND THREE HOURS CLEARING A ZONE INSTEAD OF TWO OR MAYBE EVEN *GASP* TWO AND A HALF THE WORLD IS ENDING SEE THIS IS WHY WE SHOULD HAVE INVITED MY FRIENDS TO LEECH AND THEN LEAVE YOU GUYS ARE SO STUPID AND INEFFICIENT THIS IS A WASTE OF TIME EXCUSE ME I HAVE TO GO EAT DINNER.


For years you were just that slightly retarded guy who nobody paid attention to but now that you're actually speaking all you are is annoying.

In closing:

You're a fucking idiot, you're worthless, you're lazy, and you're incapable of doing anything unless you stand to gain from it.

Get the fuck off of DB and try to gain some goddamn respect for life and your peers.



Basically I know I am not retarded I play this game better then your average player, more then capable of doing any event in the game. I always put in effort in min, maxing my melee jobs or try to get the best gear for them. Example I had 62% of the dynamis in an abyssea exp alliance. The way I play the game is geared toward to what would be most efficient and the best use of time. That's how I like to play it. I am not into stupid jokes.

You show people very little respect with how insulting you are. You don't seem to see it because you disrespecting people is funny.

If you don't like me being in this linkshell then you don't have to come.

[Zumi]

I'm going to pretend like the last 4 posts didnt happen :x

I like going to dynamis because I'm old school. I like the old events and will keep doing them out of enjoyment. I also really like this shell because of the people and want to support everyone accomplishing their goals.

That being said I dont agree with Zumi that no one needs anything. A lot of people are probably just uncomfortable asking for things, because then you get labeled a loot whore. I hate when people complain about items that they want ;; I think everyone does; it's unattractive. I think the main point Chuwei was trying to make was that others dont appreciate it when you speak for them Zumi. Saying that no one wants anything generalizes to all of us and is not necessarily accurate. You've never asked me if I still wanted anything. Please dont speak for me; I do find it insulting.

That's the main reason I was interested in the database being updated. Then I could see who still needs things, though you can't tell interest from that, I guess. I think it's a good idea for everyone to state what they'd like to complete before we end - sort of like a wishlist. We wont be able to finish all of it maybe, but we'd have something to work towards. I'd also like to know that I am really helping others work towards their goals as well as working on mine. Makes me warm and fuzzy.

The main thing I'd still like is sch belt. I'm still interested in side grade +1s since I just enjoy attending dynamis, specifically rdm feet +1 (Still punching myself for passing those rdm feet time before last, dumb ><) and cor hat +1, maybe some sch. (Rdm body +1 would be great, but I think that's a pie in the sky dream :) ). Ummm oh and I need blm hands to store if we're doing more windy's. That's it and I'll really be satisfied just with sch belt - I'm also happy to help with relic trials for a few months too ^-^. Let's all get along...


I rather people be direct with what they want, caring about other people thinking you want loot is silly when doing a event designed to get loot. Hard to plan zones when you don't know what people want to get out of it. The database isn't too helpful because it shows people having pretty much every base AF, with the exception of +1s are the only thing is missing but I do not know which +1s people would want the most.

Obviously myself want to do my relic trails.

[Izzy]

Holy shit lol. Gonna fix the thread title for funsies though!

[Izzy]

Also, I really hope no one ever questions Zumi's dedication. He's been in DB for almost 7 years now? I've tried to convince him to skip Dynamis countless times to come to WoW raids I'm running, and I can't even get him to do that when he doesn't need anything from Dynamis.

As for the discussion at hand; if you don't agree with someone's opinion on the whole thing, just politely disagree and move on.

I know, me of all people telling other people to calm down... but seriously, everyone needs to take a chill pill and watch some Care Bears.

[Izzy]

Carmen and I will start attending Dynamis runs again, as it looks like Papillion is going to kill herself soon.

Papi: I'll do alliances for now on.

[Penty]

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[Papillion]

This thread is way out of hand right now but I do have a few things to say:

1) I love DB and have no problem leading it. All I asked for was some help from you, Zumi. No leader has ever had to do everything for a run for every run. Yes, Teo does/did a lot but he at least had Carmisse and Izzy lotting currency and calling AF for him. Just that alone takes a tremendous burdon off my shoulders. We also would help him with alliances when he asked for it. (Yes, he did them 90% of the time but we have all made them) Right now, for the last 6 months I have done every aspect of every run. You said months ago you would do alliances and never have. I've even waited to put up sign up threads to see if you would do it and you just comment in Juniper, 'there's no sign-up thread' instead of just making one. So yes, when I am feeling especially burnt out, I will vent.

2) I have a general idea of stuff people want which is why we've been running zones like we have. And there are alot of older members that still want gear. I have asked people what gear they want and try to schedule zones according to that. Teo has also stated he'll be returning soon and I'm sure our runs will be on the calendar again based off what people would like/need.

[Zumi]

I have no problem doing runs. Penty complaining that i posted one? I have no problem doing the posting making alliance and lead the run. I guess it wasn't clear to me that you wanted me to post a sign up. If you said something like, I need a brake from doing this post the sign up and make alliances for awhile, you and me don't really talk much about this. I actually like leading stuff because I like my own way of doing stuff.

[Penty]

The whole point of being a leader is recognizing when you're supposed to step up and do something without having to be explicitly told "Zumi, freaking do something"

"brake"

nice

[Zumi]

I already told people that I was willing to do everything which was asked the other day. Although I will still have to log out once in a while for dinner due to the run times being bad for west coast I don't see how this is a huge problem you make it out to me.

Unless we can start 2 hours later which I would actually like better.

[Carmisse]

OK, all bullshit retarded people saying things aside...



I'd rather have an empty ls than one full of disinterested older members who really don't want to be there.

If all the older 500+run members like you who didn't need anything and don't want to do dynamis anymore then they should stop coming, especially if they're burnt out or disinterested or feel like they're obligated to come but they really don't want to, especially since that sort of mentality generally causes a lack of attention/effort and is not conducive to a productive environment.



Izzy and I were stretched pretty thin when leading DB. Well personally I was juggling a lot of things. It was a lot of factors that made us stay this long. At one point I went what? a year without lotting anything and wasn't interested in dynamis, only thing I wanted to see other people get gear/get shit done... - but MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR ME, I stayed as long as I did for Fatman. I guess the timeline for this would be in the middle of my stay. Even if I had no interest or was tired I would still break my neck trying to make it on time, but I didn't leave. Well up until I hated it so much that I stopped logging onto the game all together. Game? lol It was like a second job. I enjoyed the torture I guess but you can only take so much right? :) What I'm saying is even if I hated it, the time that I was there I'd like to think we were at the very least being productive. I think our results speak for themselves! So I will politely disagree with you Chupie!

I guess all that's left to do now is for both of us to verbally fling feces onto each other! OMG INSULTS!


lol <3


Seriously, yeah sure I'll come back to support everyone. Everyone needs to just relax and have a good time. It took a while for me to get that, so just don't try to stress out and treat it like a second job.

peace, love, happy holidays

yay teo's back!

[Penty]

carm stop ignoring your pol message. it's important and time sensitive

[Thalmalkrichten]

I think it would help us for people to vocalize what they're still interested in at this time. The point is not to identify those who want more than others, but to help us choose a pattern of zones that will keep the interest high and rewards fair.

I'm really only posting this because Teo has a very good point. Dynamis gear isn't really what it was with a 75 cap, but its an event that I enjoy with all its ups and downs. The only gear pieces I'm really interested are:

#1 Sorcerer's Coat
#2 Summoner's Bracers
#3 Summoner's Cape

If the shell breaks before I get these I'm not gonna be too concerned about it, but it would be nice to finish out the sets for the 3 jobs I have leveled.

And now for a tension breaker....

#4 The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
#5 A pet Vorpal Bunny
#6 peace...... um nevermind it will never happen but the pet Vorpal bunny would be nice very nice.....

[Enelia]

#5 A pet Vorpal Bunny


Whenever anyone mentions FFXI in conjunction with bunnies I'm reminded of that Penny Arcade "Omega Hare" incident from when they played FFXI.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2003/11/12/