Message from your corrupt, greedy, selfish leader

[Fatman]

This is going to be a long post and I hope everyone will take the time to read it because it is going to say exactly how I feel about the status of our dynamis linkshell.

First off, as you probably know by now Epedemicoptikz was removed from this linkshell last week. According to him it was unfair and he has informed me that everyone who is not in the hnm linkshell I am part of is leaving DynamisBums because I am unfair and I show favoritism.

I'd like to show everyone exactly why Epedemicoptikz was removed. Here is a list of his attendance since joining:

Sandoria 11/10 - Cleared Zone (Never comes to Sandoria again where SAM AF does not drop)
Jeuno 11/14 - Cleared Zone
Bastok 11/17 - Cleared Zone
Jeuno 12/5
Bastok 12/12
Windurst 12/22 - Wins AF (Never comes to Windurst again)
Beaucedine 1/2 - Cleared Zone
Jeuno 1/5
Xarcabard 1/9
Bastok 1/12
Beaucedine 1/16
Bastok 3/2
Bastok 3/27
Jeuno 4/13 - Wins AF despite only coming to 3 runs in 3 months, never comes to Jeuno again
Xarcabard 5/8
Bastok 5/18
Beaucedine 5/22
Xarcabard 6/5 - Wins AF (Switches main job to Ninja proceeds to miss every Bastok since where NIN AF does not drop after never missing a Bastok)
Xarcabard 6/12
Beaucedine 6/19
Xarcabard 6/26
Xarcabard 6/29

Now there is no rule that says you have to come help others but since Epedemicoptikz is the ONLY member who has never come to help others I decided to question him, something I as leader felt the right to do for all the other people who do come to runs where they cant lot AF.

Well, he argued with me, told me everyone is here for selfish reasons, told me he didnt have time to come where his AF didnt drop because he has a job, told me he has three linkshells so he can just go wherever he wants AF, and so on. Well I gave it some thought and decided that our other Ninjas deserve better than this so he was removed.

I am going to post a poll after I am done typing this post asking the linkshell as a whole to decide if this sort of thing should be allowed to go on anymore by asking you if we should now make a requirement that all DynamisBums members have only one dynamis linkshell.


Last night several people pointed it out to me that a member of our dynamis linkshell was doing Dynamis with another linkshell at the same time we were doing dynamis last night. Again as leader I decided to ask the person why. He told me he was helping friends and conveyed the message that he doesnt feel welcome in our dynamis linkshell. I told him that I personally care about how everyone in this linkshell feels and to message me personally if he has any concerns.

Low and behold the next thing that comes across my screen from Epedemicoptikz who has been insulting me the whole time is this:

http://img343.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clp256bv.jpg

I spoke briefly with the leader of Hydracorps and he says their rule is One dynamis linkshell only and that he is not trying to steal members from dynamisbums, but that he was under the impression the member in question had quit dynamisbums. This mickey mouse immature crap can end right now. I don't want you here anymore and I'm sure most of the linkshell doesn't either so good luck with the new linkshell. I hope they don't let you screw them out of a full set of AF in under 20 runs like you did us.


Now onto more important topics...

It came to my attention that another linkshell has a rule specifically stating that members of dynamisbums are not allowed to attend their runs. This is fun and I fully understand it, but of course the wording of the rule on their website is as follows "DynamisBums, the linkshell of priorities and favoritism". Yeah I know its funny that the guy who posted that attended two dynamis runs with Dynamisbums and got one piece of AF, but it bothers me for two reasons.

First, I show no favoritism and thats an ignorant lie. Second, what it should say is "DynamisBums, the best damn dynamis linkshell on any server with the most skilled, friendly, and reasonable people on the Phoenix server". His post on their website was deleted yesterday when our members found it and made some replies. I'm not gonna get caught up in any lame drama with that linkshell I am going to ignore any /tells I get from their leader from now on. There is no reason to insult our linkshell and I have plenty of pride for what we have accomplished so It would be best if our paths didn't cross.

So this favoritism that I am being accused of by former members of dynamisbums is what is really bothering me so let me put it all here in black and white and you tell me, does my priority systme favor my friends or not?

Current Permanent Priority (I am a member of BC (Burningcosmosss) if you didnt know):

BRD - Tyrlafiel (HNMLS Fury) - Bastok - Only other member with ten runs that doesnt have this is Scytale (member of BC) who has told me he agrees with the priority

BLM - Cyrus - (HNMLS BC) - Beaucedine - No one within 45 attended runs of Cyrus doesnt have this AF

RDM - Jayiiq - (HNMLS Dawn) - Xarcabard - 4 other red mages have this piece, anyone that says Jayiiq doesnt deserve to have it a long time ago is just plain wrong

THF - Shizune - (HNMLS BC) - Xarcabard - Shizune and Ricardon have long been the only regular THF attendees to the linkshell, although Caclax has been very dedicated of late and Ricardon has the piece.

RNG - Twizz - (HNMLS BC) - This is probably the toughest one. Tangia has a few more runs attended than Twizz but the reason I proposed this one instead of Tangia in Beaucedine is the rarity of this piece which Tangia already won under priority.


Alternating run priority

WHM - Bakerice (Fury), Halon (Assasins?), Sykes (BC), Sephffg (Fury) - Beaucedine - Yunnalescita and Teorem have the piece and Syldra has full Dragoon AF so I felt these long time dedicated members were most deserving

BLM - Cyrus (BC), Zeratu (13), Krish (Fury) - Xarcabard - same deal as WHM, other long time regular members have the piece

PLD - Helm (dunno), Zumi (BC), General (Fury), Magnus (Fury) - Xarcabard - same deal as WHM again, only this piece has never dropped and every person on this list has waited a very long time for a shot at it

BRD - Cybaster (Dawn) - Xarcabard - this is a no brainer like RDM (possibly should be permanent but isnt due to Tyrlafiels priority)

Ok so priorities by HNMLS are as follows:

Fury - 6
Burningcosmosss - 6
Dawn - 2
Assassins - 1
Dunno - 2

Members with Full AF2 by HNMLS:

Genesis - 3
Dawn - 3
Burningcosmosss - 1
Assassins - 1
PreciousLife - 1

Members with 35 or more runs attended by HNMLS:
Burningcosmosss - 13
Dawn - 8
Fury - 6
Assassins - 5
Genesis - 3
None - 2
Preciouslife - 1
Thirteen - 1

The above numbers make perfect sense to me and about any third grade in the world. Most of the people with 35 or more runs attended come from BC, Dawn, Fury, and Assassins and low and behold the top 4 linkshells with member priority are the same 4 freaking linkshells. If I was to say anything looks suspicious it would be that 3 members of Genesis have gotten full AF2 and only 3 members of Genesis have been to 35 or more runs.

The funny thing about it is the people complaining to me about me being unfair are in Genesis and havent attended 35 runs >_>. Man, I have no problem with some of our great members from Genesis but I have no doubt a couple people in their linkshell will try and cause them problems for coming to our runs. I don't wanna lose you guys so please if you are having a problem let me know in game. DynamisBums is the reason I still play FFXI I always have time to chat with any member.

After I get back from lunch >_> I'm gonna post a couple polls. EVERYONE I am begging you let your thoughts be known I wont hold anything said against you, but I really need to know what the linkshell thinks about this whole favoritism thing as a group.

[Fatman]

P.S. this thread is for members of dynamisbums

Ahliran posted a response... something about his calling our linkshell the linkshell of priorities and favoritism a friendly joke and saying something about my ass.

w/e the post has been deleted.

If you want to flame me make a new post in the general chat section if you are not a member of this linkshell.

This thread is for members only.

[Zymurgy]

You have no reason to have to justify yourself. The data speaks for itself, you haven't done anything wrong and if anyone thinks that for any reason, then they are wrong, simple as that. And it's not even like you are making all priority decisions on your own. It's put to a vote and all the leaders vote on it.

Anyone who has a problem with Fatman needs to get a clue. Selfish? He has full BLM AF and still attends every run. Favoritism? Look at the data plz kthx.

[Ricardon]

Keep up the good work Fats, and keep killing the trolls!

[Zeratu]

/hurray Fatman

/nod Zymurgy

/ma "Silence" Epedemicoptikzomgtoolongofaname

[zpanda]

I agree with your decision and think you're doing a good job, so don't stress out too much over it. There are lots of people like Eped on this server - just /blist add and don't bother with them anymore - they just aren't worth your time and you can't change the way people are just by talking to them anyway.

I think my blist is about 14 players long, and the majority of them have actually left the game a long time ago. There's a high-level NA THF who is actually on my blist and still in-game - and coincidentally holds the record for being added to my blist the fastest lol. The very first 2 sentences from him after the first time I met him pretty much indicated to me this was not someone I wanted to associate with - I added him to my blist and have never had to deal with him since then. I won't name him but he's a well known idiot so people can probably figure it out~

[Teorem]

While Fatman has demonstrated how our current priorities do not reflect favoritism, I wanted to take a moment to further this by giving a general idea of how such priorities are determined.

Any linkshell leader is able to recommend a member for priority in a particular zone. It usually is Fatman (because he actually does look out for these things more than the rest of us do), but any of us can.

The majority of the decision is based on information in the Dynamis Member Database (http://www.dynamisbums.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=15).

At no point in this process do we consider our personal feelings about the person, HNMLS affiliation, or non-Dynamis equipment. We are bound by rules for determining when priority can and can't be assigned to particular AF in a zone, and you can find those here (http://www.dynamisbums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126).

Priority is awarded after leadership has voted on it; these are not decisions that are made by one person alone. Some of the decisions are easy to make and some are not, in which case we do (and have) argued why a member does or doesn't deserve priority. It may seem like there are a lot of established priorities, but not every recommendation for priority actually passes.

If there are any questions on why certain priority has been awarded for a particular member, Fatman has offered many times to explain why. Any of the leadership can, really, as long as the dialogue does not degrade into "Why can't I have it?"

Priority is meant to recognize those who have given much towards the success of DynamisBums, but have received the shorter end from the game's mechanics. It is not favoritism or bias in any sense, unless the concept of rewarding dedicated members is a false one.

[Harmonia]

well said by zym and teo.

Anyone with half a brain can see how well this LS is run.

Mostly I just find it hilarious that anyone can say those type of things about this LS and possibly believe it.

[Izzy]

i cant beleive someone from a LS like the one he's in could possibly say stuff like that

[Bea]

XD finally, I managed to get my password reset. Fats, I'm really sorry to see that you've had to deal with this kind of crap. DB deserves more than this. I think I missed somewhere where military people were pricks?

Coming from a family where almost everyone has been apart of the military, hearing: "I come from the military, we're trained to have thick skin and crack jokes about anything and everyone just to pass the time." has to be the lamest excuse to insult someone I've ever seen ^^

Ahliran isn't much to get upset over, DB will continue to be the absolute best Dynamis Linkshell on Phoenix now and forever.

[Artful Dodger]

indeed, anything he says really is rubbish. i myself a member of assassin have been accused of "those butt sniffing tactics" by him(also in assassin), which is rather upsetting(thats the only reason i have af according to him ~_~). the numbers speak for themselves, w/priority. i was lucky enough to get a full set, which wouldnt have been possible w/ favoritism -.- so dont be phased by such contradictory claims. the ls is so well run id just hate to see hnm nonsense have any lasting effects on this one. i suppose thats my two cents, since ive been harassed for similar reasons. but i will need ur assistance this week after the update maybe, i need to get my head out of ur colon {Help me out!}

[tangia]

I always found it refreshing that despite the sheer number of different HNM LSs that come to bums runs that they all get along incredibly well , and 30 minuts after a run go fight tooth and nail over a HNM. I akways felt that as long as it didnt come here i dont care who joins what shell and who is in what shell.

So cant we all pls get along?

RNG - Twizz - (HNMLS BC) - This is probably the toughest one. Tangia has a few more runs attended than Twizz but the reason I proposed this one instead of Tangia in Beaucedine is the rarity of this piece which Tangia already won under priority.

I didnt win this under prioty , twizz and i did share priorty on this peice. The run in which ths dropped was a no priorty run twizz had a 940 lot and i had a 950. So i got it with a but load off luck and a divine favor apparently.

[Scytale]

"Priorities and Favoritism"

Let's put a real-world spin on this:

Cybaster and I are applying for a job (music teacher :P) I have 5 years teaching experience, Cybaster as 25...who do you think will be more likely to get the job (this is an equal opportunity employer lol) See how reality helps to make sense of everything??

Dynamis Bums is specifically set up to reward hard work and commitiment, as it SHOULD BE! I have never had an issue with my senior brds getting af over me, heck they've been with the shell longer, they are more than deserving.

How would you feel to work hard for months and months, to everytime have some new person wash in, bitch, take what you wanted, and roll out? How many times will you camp Charbdys for 8-hours a day, for someone to camp on you, take your mob, then /laugh? (lol sorry had to)

You know what the best thing of all is. All the rules are in writting, everything about lotting, priority, rules, etc...it's all here on the forums. No person should be without the knowledge of what it is to be, and what they will face as a Member of Dynamis Bums. If someone is un-happy, they know where the door is...no one will stop someone from leaving. All a person must know is there's about 200 some players ready to take their space...and spots are always limited.

[Ricardon]

You know what the best thing of all is. All the rules are in writting, everything about lotting, priority, rules, etc...it's all here on the forums. No person should be without the knowledge of what it is to be, and what they will face as a Member of Dynamis Bums. If someone is un-happy, they know where the door is...no one will stop someone from leaving. All a person must know is there's about 200 some players ready to take their space...and spots are always limited.

RATE UP!!!!

Seriously though...we all bitch too much about this deal. It really boils down to what Scytale just said lol... Don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out!! We should'nt worry about people leaving the shell because A: fook em, they just showed 63 other high level people what they are really made of, B: A large percentage of us come to Dynamis for the fun of it and hanging out with our friends that we wouldnt other wise hang out with due to HNMLS deals, and C: People are lining up to get into Bums...we'll eventually have 64 people who are all equally dedicated to the LS.

It's been a topic of wide discussion since I joined 30 runs ago, and it looks as if it was an issue 30 runs before I started. This issue did'nt stop us from killing the DL...ahem...4 times in a row ^^, so lets not lose sleep over it and stick to the plan...having fun with cool/skilled players and killing sh!t.

[Halon50]

I don't think it's worth letting drama that's so prevalent in HNM shells leak over into Dynamis shells. Bums has always been the #1 NA Dynamis LS on Phoenix. I only wish more people would understand this, including you Fatman! <3 We're at the point where no other NA or JP Dynamis LS can overtake us, with our standing record of DL defeats.

If others want to start Dynamis LS, that's fine, but trying to attract attention to the new LS in this manner is pretty lame. A common way to make quick headlines is to snipe at the top dog(s), papparazzi style. If there's a reaction, then the notoriety for the sniper is set in stone. I'm sorry to see Dynamis linkshells start to degenerate to this, but hopefully we have a lesson learned here, and can keep Bums in first place, ok?

And dammit, I'm not in Assassins! They wouldn't invite me to join :(

[Fatman]

What ls are you in Halon? Feather?

[Halon50]

Omg Feather kicked me out Q_Q

I am in .... uh .... hmm let's see what's in my inventory....

DynamisBums, LittleGamers, an old (unbroken) Starlets pearl, QQQQQQQQQ(?)

Did I miss any? (*'~')?

[Izzy]

How many times will you camp Charbdys for 8-hours a day, for someone to camp on you, take your mob, then /laugh? (lol sorry had to)
roflllllllllll oddly enough the ones that do that are the ones that took full AF from this LS and left. Kinda reallllly shows you what kind of people they are dosen't it. Good riddance to them, don't let the door smack your ass on the way out.

[Elmekia]

wow you really took the time to do all the math, if it were me id would just bitch slap the complainers and tell em to go to hell. i haevnt attendended dyanmis in many many months and when i did finally atend that one Xacarbard run i noticed a few of those faces you mentioned and i wondered why they were alowed into DB in the first place. other then that i was glad to see veteran memebers having alot of AF and still participating regaurdless (im sure new members as well, well new to me) judging by the sheer fact that you take the time to consider the math means you actually care. so fuck the drama, fuck defending yourself just drop the retards and keep doing what you been doing cuz its worked for over a year now

[Epedemic_Optikz]

I love Fatman.

[Izzy]

You are no longer a member of this linkshell, please stop posting on our forums. Thank you.

[tangia]

didn't know you had to pay to teach music. I do "pay" to get into any dynamis run, just like every other member. So how does this "25 years of experince" have anything to do with someone paying his dues?!?


Actually teachers pay union dues , so yeah they do PAY to be teachers.


If I can, can't, will, won't, do or don't go to any dynamis run, then that would be my problem. Last time I checked I pay monthly for playing, not for getting flamed for anything and everything I do or do not do.


If you dont wanna get flamed dont post here.


On another note, last time I checked, most of the noteworthy players don't wish to join any NA Dynamis LS, but maybe you guys are hearing rumors from Valkurm, heh.


Most note worthy NA players are already in dynamisbums so try again. I think i here a noise its valk calling, its for you epedemic


BTW, if you wish to point a finger at the source of the "Drama", then look at the person who started this post, because I didn't care in the first place. I'm just here to defend myself in what way I can.

If you didnt 'Care" you wouldnt be here , there is no defense for what you did. Take all the AF that you "Earned", "Stole" or was "Given to You" and dont look back.

[Helm]

Epe banned >.> /cheer

[Zymurgy]

Great post Epedemic. I love Fatman too!

[Altia]

Well I can give you some perspective from the new member side. When I first decided to try to join a Dynamis LS I talked to a lot of people, including some in just about every major HNM ls, about many different Dynamis LS. What I heard about DB was either, you should try to get into DB they are the best Dynamis LS by far..or you shouldn't join DB because they have priorities and you'll never get AF. No one ever accused DB of favoritism to me, and I was specifically asking for both pro's and cons. I think they just accuse you of favoritism because, in a way, priorities are a form of favoritism. You are basically saying "I want this person to have AF before anyone else". Its an easy jump to make when someone is mad and looking for something to throw out to hurt you. I certainly don't think DB or Fatman is thought of as playing favorites with his friends or his LS members, and I didn't get the impression that anyone else thought that either.

I read all about the priorities before I asked to join DB and even though as a new member they will make it harder for me, I agreed with it totally. It *is* only fair that someone that has been with DB and trying for months and months to get a certain piece of AF gets it before I do. I was surprised that weren't a lot more priorities actually, you've kept them down to a very fair few and I think that only proves you've not been handing anything out to anyone based on your own personal wishes.

[Brightblade]

Very well-spoken. ^^

[Nhon]

It is sad to hear all the bad things that are been afflicted on DB, but I know for sure that DB is one of the best Dynamis LS in Phoenix.

Dont let your spirit down, Fatman. You are a great leader. I have witnessed it plenty of time. They dont know anything if they didn't observe for a long time.

[Reimeii]

Wow.....

All I have to say is this. Fatman, You are a great leader. Look around you, there are so many loyal members that follow you just for that very fact. Shizune invited me to DB close to a year ago and I am forever grateful to him because I have had the best times with you guys. I have learned so much, made so many friends and basically come to respect all the hard work everyone has done. We all did it because we worked together with no drama. Every now and then, we get this kind of trash talk from questionable members who do things like epididomioptixz (or w/e). We, as a linkshell, can pick up on ppl who are not totally commited or honest or just plain greedy. We know, we may not say anything, but we know.

As far as the priority system... I feel that hard work should be rewarded. It also keeps ppl from coming in taking the best AF in one zone and never coming back. It has happened so many times, so many "One run Wonders"... It can be very frustrating. But the leaders of DB have come up with this system to show, "Yes, work hard, and you can get it too" If a new member has a problem.... then {See You Again!} I feel the numbers that Fats laid out speak clearly for themselves.

I also think Tangia is right, We have a lot of great NA players in this LS, some of the best and most talented.

Good luck to the New Dynamis LS, but sadly, I don't ever think you can achieve what DB has. Which is not only toppling DynamisLord, but we have achieved so much more. We respect each other, we appreciate each other, and we have a common bond of sacrificing so much to achieve what we have. This is not over night or in a few weeks, it takes so much longer. You have such a long road ahead of you..... Don't waste your time attacking us. Because frankly, it makes you look stupid and frankly we don't give a damn.

LONG LIVE FATMANPOOKINS!!!!!

<3 <3

~~Yuna~~

[Juma]

i love fatman :*

[Lockeheart]

Well this is to state my support to Fatman and it's leaders and the Whole DB itself. The priority rule is a fair rule on itself, why? because those that have attended ahead of u have sacrificed enough to be what DB has become today, those new on the Ls may seem it unfair (i personally think at first), but when i experience other LS Dynamis run(just once coz i don't have access before to beaucedine run) there's a big difference on how they make things work and how they accomplish each run succesfully in an organized manner. That's why it's the best on the server^^.

Not to brag but i have a chance to Lot on Af body on Beaucedine farming run with Kayoto, he has priority back then but i think he was late or something so it was somehow cancelled for that run, so he send me tell if i could pass for him since it's the only thing he needed to complete, so i gave way since he's been doing one hell of a targetter and a leader also and he's been there for those runs for quite a while. Well i told myself i will have my chance.

So this is more of teamwork that makes us very good not on the greedy part that others are doing and using the Ls so as to get what they want and to contribute only for their welfare.

So i say it's a YES for a requirement for DB members to have only 1 Dynamis LS, of course there are special cases wherein the leaders could make exceptions on a certain run/s for those people who couldn't make it and has no access to a certain area. So some rules have to be set.

Overall we're doing one hell of a job and i hope we keep on getting better. Goodluck to us all ^^