"Just a farming run"

[Jayiiq]

Tonight's Dynamis - Xarcabard was easily one of our worst runs in a long time. In trying to figure out what went wrong, I first noticed that we had about 15 people less this time than our previous few runs. But we've done Xarcabard with 50 people before, and didn't have anywhere near the trouble we did tonight.

Then another thing came to mind. After our second wipe, someone said something. Who said it doesn't really matter, this post isn't singling anyone out. "No one should be taking anything less than a R3. This is just a farming run." This got me to think about what a farming run means to everyone. To me, it means giving us a chance to use that over an hour we normally have for Dynamis Lord to try to kill some more things to get a better shot at some AF. I don't look at fighting the mobs on the way any differently than the previous couple runs.

Let's look at the results of this run. 0 AF drops, 1 hundred piece drop. This isn't all that surprising, it is Dynamis - Xarcabard afterall, where I'm sure you could get 0 AF drops after clearing the zone. Looking on at the results of this run, we wiped 5 times. We even had 3 wipes on the last pull. I can't remember the last time we wiped multiple times on the same set of mobs. We're usually able to finish them off rather easily after we wipe. The most staggering result of this run is the number of mobs we ended up killing. We didn't even finish off all the mobs we normally do on our way to DL.

I think the real problem we had tonight was people just didn't take the zone seriously. Xarcabard is a difficult zone, regardless of whether our intention is to kill DL or just get AF. I realize the ultimate goal of this LS is to defeat DL, but getting people AF is another. And that's not going to happen if people don't take a zone as difficult as this seriously. City zones offer us a little more room, since the mobs are easier and AF drops are much more common.

On some more detailed criticism, I think we should have done both R2 and R3 after our wipes. We only had 5 WHMs raising 50 people. That eats up a lot of time. People should be willing to take a R2 in Xarcabard, even on a farming run. We only get 3 hours or so in Dynamis once every 3 days, we should make the most of that time. Would you be willing to trade an additional 1500 exp loss to buy us another 20-30 minutes in Dynamis - Xarcabard?

Also, not just restricted to this run. That last pull with the wall of eyes. We always kill the WHMs and PLDs last. I think this is a bad idea. PLDs have a resist sleep trait, and WHMs have Magic Defense bonus. Both are the most difficult jobs to sleep. I think we should kill them right after the BLMs, leaving the DRKs and DRGs for last. I think that's all the jobs for that pull. If not, they should be after PLDs and WHMs too.

[Scytale]

wasn't there tonight but someone mentions that MNK's are good to use Gravity on and just let the BLM's nuke to avoid Hundred Fists. I think Armakoy died like 4 times on that last Sandy run because Fists kept smacking him in the FACE! >< LOL

Sorry was such a crappy run tonight.

[Brightblade]

Well, part of the reason that we wiped three times on the last set of mobs was because most of the LS had absolutely no interest in continuing.

There were repeated pleas in LS to call it a night, but a few people decided to take matters into their own hands and pull anyway, then ignore the second round of pleas and pull again, then pull a third time. On the very last pull, some of our members flatly refused to even engage, because only a very small, very vocal portion of the LS had made the decision to pull again.

And although their refusal to fight hastened our demise, I honestly don't blame them a bit. We pulled again even though there was no reasonable expectation of success, because a few members wanted to squeeze the last drop out of the run.

It was really no different than Wrish's old habit, the "goodbye pull" in Jeuno.

While it's true that nobody who is worried about exp should be going to Dynamis, dying for a purpose is different than dying for a whim. Anyone who knows me knows of my affinity for buying farms (I racked up a glorious tally of 11 tonight), but the end of the run was a silly, wasteful endeavour.

If you're going to do something ill-advised like that, it's your call, but have the common decency to permit some of our members to snap their glasses beforehand.

[Juma]

I'm not sure if you noticed the efficiency difference between the first two pulls and the NM pulls, but the NM pulls went noticeably faster than the first two and last pull. Once it was evident that we may not get the time extensions to continue, people got off their asses and tried, we started killing faster and more efficiently. As to why people wait to start trying is beyond me. I don't know any reason to take a farming run any less seriously than a run where we attempt DL. If everyone tried as hard as they did when we needed the time extension following the NMs during the entire run, last night would have went significantly smoother. I don't think what happened last night was caused by a lack of DD or healing or tanks or whatever, I think it was due to a lack of effort.

Hey maybe I'm wrong.

I hope we don't have to see the same thing that happened last night for a long time.

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[Radav]

Yeah it was like night and day when you compare what we did in between whiping at the fort with all the eyes and getting whiped at the big eye wall.

I'm not gonna point fingers. I'm just gonna try to forget what happened and hope you guys do a better job next time we're here. It was probably the worst run we've had in months.

[Halon50]

Also, not just restricted to this run. That last pull with the wall of eyes. We always kill the WHMs and PLDs last. I think this is a bad idea. PLDs have a resist sleep trait, and WHMs have Magic Defense bonus. Both are the most difficult jobs to sleep. I think we should kill them right after the BLMs, leaving the DRKs and DRGs for last. I think that's all the jobs for that pull. If not, they should be after PLDs and WHMs too.Well, the thing with WHM and PLD is, they always take longer to kill compared to other creatures. Even worse, WHM's 2HR will wake up every slept mob in the area, while PLD's 2HR make killing an already hard-to-damage creature even harder.

Like most of the posters on this thread, I'm very dissapointed in the drops last run. I'm even more disappointed that it turned out people just weren't trying. The "vocal minority," as someone put it, was about 80% of the LS wanting to at least kill a few more creatures during the final 10 minutes, instead of standing around doing nothing. After about 2 minutes of "Someone pull please," I went ahead and got it started. Imagine my dismay when, as I ran directly toward them, I see a group of 5 people standing as far back from the pull as possible, DOING NOTHING. What's worse is, a couple of them even started running the other way just to not have to engage any of the incoming pull. You know who you are. Sure there might be that last death, but at least try to participate in the run. Don't whine over 200xp lost.

We are not doing a farming run so you can stand around doing nothing, or complain about last pulls when 10 minutes (TEN MINUTES!!, not 5, not 3!) are left. We do farming runs to get members what they can never get in non-dynamis areas.

Another rule I want to see implemented is what Kittycat does in her runs with DynamisCatAttack. I quote from her Rules page:



Accept any raise:

If we wipe out completely, white mages are to mix Raise 2 and 3. This is so we can start fighting as soon as possible. Don't be a little bitch about losing exp.

[Juma]

Raise 2 isnt that much exp loss really :Q_Q:

[Halon50]

I guess it's not so bad that a few people were doing nothing. Happens all the time in Dynamis - people have to use the restroom, get a drink, form strategy for the next pull, whatever. But don't stay in the run so you can lot on any drops, especially after doing nothing.

If you wanna leave, hey that's cool. Inform a leader and drop your glass. Judging from past runs, we always seem to get a nice AF drop after someone leaves anyway.

[Cyrus]

I think its important for morale that we not focus on the failure or blame of this run but look to the next run and focus on getting the clear. Bastok is an easy zone. Lets have fun in bastok and get pumped and ready for the next Dlord attempt.

[Jayiiq]

We should not just forget about what we did yesterday. I see no need to point fingers, but we as a group should not forget the poor performance we had. We made some mistakes, and it's important that we learn from them.

On the topic of WHMs and PLDs, I understand the need to wait on the WHMs because of benediction. I don't think we'll be able to easily move away so that they don't wake up the rest. But the PLDs need to be killed right after the BLMs. It doesn't matter that they take longer to kill. DRKs and DRGs rarely ever resist sleep. No where near as much as PLDs at least.

[Carmisse]

Last night was up there in the list of shitty-dynamis-nights. Beats the windurst run when we lost for the first time in a while with only thf AF dropping and that other xarcabard run where we got no AF and no hundred piece and failed DL @5 percent Q_Q...

Let's just beat DL this coming weekend >8D

Oh, btw, I think the reason why most of us wanted to continue to farm even after wiping so many times is that we were just trying to make the most of our time to get at least one piece of AF. We got our first Duelist's Chapeau in like the last 5 or 3 minutes we had in one of those runs... So anything is possible. >_>b

[Izzy]

when we got RDM AF2 hat, we had just gotten the 3 min warning. So there is no reason to give up or opt out of pulling just cause there's 10 mins left. We could eaisly have gotten AF or something at least.

[Zymurgy]

There is no reason to give up with 20 minutes left on the clock and just half-ass the rest of the time because you don't feel like it or whatever. I don't think people should even bother coming if that's the case.