3rd level upgrade screen

[Scytale]

This is a link to a JP screen-shot of a player doing his 3rd level upgrade, notice the currency cost.

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?m=posts&q=29853

[Zumi]

I read that picture it cost 62 of the 100 bills to upgrade the デュナミスサイズ, translated thats Dynamis Sycthe. This explains why nobody has a stage 3 weapon. Say if you got an average of 250 bills a run in bastok and gave them all to that one person doing third upgrade it would take 25 runs to finish.Thats pertty sad. I don't even know why SE does this it makes the 3rd or 4th level weps almost impossible to obtain. I heard the comission on the 4th was like 10k worth of a currency. Even if you buy them at the LS's price of 3k each thats 18.6 million gil.

[Scytale]

I won't be lotting on the Horn tonight in Jeuno, that's -1 inv space. :mad:

[Radav]

Holy shit! Is all I can say about this. I mean I really was thinking maybe the rumors of 2100 or w/e were sort of reasonable but... now we're looking at getting somewhere around 6k for this!!!! What is the next commission gonna be 12k? 15K? I hate SE some times. They make great games but this is beyond hard... Its insane.. If you got all the Byne Bills from each Bastok run we did it would take something around 20! Bastok runs that's half the runs we've done as an LS total. Oh well its just a game and game money I guess... Goodluck to those of you with the gil to do this... I might be putting my byne bills up for sale at DB prices.

[Zumi]

Well one possibilty is that dynamis lord can drop 10k currency. I heard you can make change out of those when you use them. You could use those to do peoples 2nd, 3rd and 4th upgrades. There is no way someone is going to have that much gil that the 3rd upgrade costs.

[Radav]

Sooooooooooooooooooo we either kill DL many many times giving everyone a 10k byne bill if he drops it. Orrr we do Bastok for the next 2 years and get everyone through their third upgrade ROFL. SE needs to get their heads checked if they think people will be getting this stuff done any time soon. If we keep going at our current pace it would take us 10 years to get enough Byne Bills to cover the people who are trying to get their weapons upgraded.

[Scytale]

If we find out there is a 10k bill from DL then I might re-consider relic. Might be one of those things where people upgrade themselves through the first 2 levels, and then are allowed to lot the 10k when and if we get them. Before then though if we can break that bad-boy up that'll add a sick amount of currency to the pot. For the mean-time though 10k bills shouldn't be considered currency but an item in itself with a special lot requirement.

[Radav]

We'll definitely be doing something special with 10k bills if they do actually drop from him. I have my doubts that this actually happens. I like the idea of treating it differently and having people lot on it. We'll talk about this more over the next week and see what we can come up with. I won't stop my quest for the fabled Gjallarhorn. I'll be quitting the day I get it just to warn you. ROFL

[Shizune]

if you plan to sell, sell to me as soon as i find out which ones i need for relic dagger :3 (the stage where i turn in my attestation)
at db price of course D:

[Fatman]

Shizune>>> I Have 37k gil left because of RayJ

Fatman>>> Ya right


Busted!!!!!!!! I knew you were rich!

Anyhow anyone wishing to sell currency back please go through me. If you sell currency to another member directly I will not five you currecny from dynamis runs anymore

~Sheriff Fats

[Zumi]

I wouldn't give up hope just yet. Also there are new dynamis zones that are in the dat files. Such as Dynamis Tavanazian, Dynamis Valkum Dunes, Dynamis Buburumi Peninsula, and Dynamis Qufim. Maybe they will be unlocked in the April update. Since the Feb. update is going to be Al'taieu. With the new zones myabe SE could make it so the 100 pieces drop at a higher rate. I mean if you need 60+ for level 3 weapon it take 10+ years to get those at the rate they drop now. Maybe SE didn't want people to have the ultimate weapons just yet. As they are not it is almost impossible to do even with a lot of funds.

[Halon50]

I'm up for killing Dynamis Lord 100's of times ^^b

(that bastard!)

[Shizune]

I have 47k now lol
once i m done with bonecraft ill try to make good money from it -_-

[zpanda]

Yup, as the game stands right now, I have no plans to obtain the fully upgraded weapons as the amount of time needed to be invested for that currently is just way too high. I'm sure gil-sellers love this though. As it is these days, it's hard to tell who has actually earned and worked for their stuff and who just went out and bought a bunch of gil.

[Twizz]

lol yea, Gil buyers can get this item NP. But for me I'm not about to spend 1 year to make up the gil for it. I'm not about to start buying gil for this either. I rather spend it on a girl and hopefully get lai........ well it dosent matter but I'm not buyin gil for this. Most I've ever had is 2mil gil..... Where am I supost to get 30mil+?

[Zumi]

My all time high for gil was 5.6 million but then I spent 600k on clothcraft to 33. The gil sellers and buyers really ruined the prices on everything making it much harder to craft then it was a year ago or buy any nice item. Even a gil buyer would have a hard time buying all the currency for level 3 or 4. No way would I ever buy gil. Theres always farming but it sort of sucks with no thf sub. Maybe HNMs but often it ends up like this for example, you spend 3 hours camping behemoth only to have it spawn purple, seems like a bad way to make money too.

But that 5.6 million gil was from over a year of saving. I don't know how its even possible ot make even more gil to support getting these weapons.

[Shizune]

i already kinda have my dynamis dagger so there's no turning back for me Q_Q
this is gonna take ages but oh well lol something to look forward to o_o-b

[Wrish]

I have not seen a company make games with harder-to-obtain items than Square. The amount of effort and commitment to reach the pinnacle in equipment is just astronomical. As a nobody, you could walk up to the best equipped player you know of and just poke holes identifying better things they could wear. (Incidentally, isn't that what I'm always accused of doing? lol)

That said, clearly the majority will be excluded from upgrading their weapons. Whether any one person manages to fully upgrade depends on what the majority does with their currency. If everyone just bids freely on individual currency, we'll have a bunch of people with first upgrade done, a few with second upgrade, etc. By the time you talk about the last upgrade, no one's done it. That is what's currently going on. The reason people are stalling in the middle of upgrades they can't afford is that they're not informed of what the whole process looks like.

I'm not surprised if Square has set the commission for the last two upgrades to be 6000+ currency each. It follows the numerical pattern of the first two upgrades, and a quick look at these weapons suggests that they're legendary. Would a weapon be legendary if one-third the population has it? Would people be paying millions for high level hq weapons currently worth that much if one-third the population carried weapons leaving those in the dust?

I think all relic upgraders should look up all the high level weapon options out there to see if they want to devote a career to finishing their relic upgrades. I saw some monk knuckles with a huge latent effect damage coupled with pretty low delay. All I have presently is a couple rumors that the new latent effect weapons require something like 500 weapon skill points to activate the latent. If that's all there is to it, and if such weapons would give the same damage output rate as the fully upgraded relic, then I trust that monks won't be looking to upgrade relic knuckles (nor buying kaiser knuckles for that matter). A similar argument springs to my mind regarding relic dagger (unless you're RDM or farmiing THF), relic sword, and perhaps relic horn. As you may be suspecting, I'm suggesting that some of us may be overestimating the power of the yet-to-be-obtained relic weapons. They're status symbols, for sure, given the current price of currency and considering that in some situations these weapons are unmatched, but as in the real world, the price of high end items is not linked to their general practicality.

P.S. I believe that screenshot is from Phoenix. At around the same time it was posted, a slew of others were reported as having turned in attestations. Either the JP are spreading rumors, as we can't confirm their turning in attestations except by a screenshot like that one (which hopefully is not made up), or wherever they ran into attestation NMs, not just one but a few attestations dropped. The latter would reflect Square's pattern of making the primary difficulty in doing these upgrades the collection of all that currency. We have merely yet to find out how to get attestations, and then the process won't be hard after we have some practice.

[Twizz]

SE made it way beyond hard. How many NA who actually work for theyre gil, and not buy it, will have enough to do stage 3? I think if there was no stage 3 currency not that many people would have the relic weapon anyways. You still have to get the attestations and kill the dragons in Xarcabard. I think that in it self is hard enough.

[Radav]

Yeah its not like we have ever seen the attestation NMs yet anyway. Then after that you need to kill Yin and Yang to pop the weapon NM you need. Then do who knows what to kill those weapons. Something with a necropsyche and maybe having to use a "new" weapon skill on them. For the Horn NM I wonder what he would want. Just to have a song casted on him with the 3rd upgraded horn I would imagine. Anyway seeing that its taken us 50 runs to get to the point where we will be doing stuff like this more often I think its a bit much to ask we come up with 6k then OMG who knows for the last one maybe 12k currency as payment. At our own DB price that seems beyond reasonable. If I ever do get this I'm going all over Vanadiel naked with just the horn equipped shouting look at me! lol

[Cybaster]

I think they want us to farm dynamis lord or something for 10k currencies? >_>
I will just hope that they will add alot of new bcs with variety of reward, and 1 of them will have ancient currency reward, for example 100-500 pieces maybe? myuun (T3T)

[Wrish]

Many of us are complaining about the prices, but that's something I anticipated. The richest on this server are not gil buyers because they make their income in unique ways and it keeps coming in rather than in spurts every few months. A gil buyer could happen to become so rich, but it would just cost a lot in real terms to maintain that status with no efficient process, and there's are enough risks along the way that it seems no one's dared to do that. In this game, experience and secrets are probably the best income, and that takes a lot of commitment when all you see around you is people trying to outdo each other.

The outrageous prices, as some are calling them, are rather the product of fishing income that went unchecked and flooded the economy with gil. That sort of profession kills itself over time, because the income is static whereas the currency value declines. And Square has nerfed it enough that they probably won't make the same mistake again.

A lot of people have the kraken club, and even more the dynamis weapon past the 2nd upgrade. The value of these items has not changed with inflation. But the bottleneck at the 3rd upgrade seems to be either getting an attestation, or in probably very few cases, collecting all that currency - both of these involve stable value. Past the 3rd level upgrade, most dynamis weapons become better than anything else out there. The final form is merely an HQ version with another substantial stat like accuracy or attack. So that no one seems to have the 3rd upgrade done is not an issue with gil, but in how much people are willing to invest toward a 3rd upgrade. I am guessing that those who are serious are taking it very slowly to do it efficiently.

I'm pretty sure the first people to get the 3rd upgrade will be either really lucky or quite veteran members in the leading dynamis LS. You'd really need strategy, focus, a ton of motivation, and great adaptability to collect that much currency (and not sell it away lol) - it may take methods we're not used to. I'm suspecting also that many want to wait for more updates to see if Square will introduce some awesome weapons that lessen the value of relic weapons - we've already seen enhancing sword, joyeuse, and ridill from way back; Perseus' Harpe in one of the CoP updates; and the latent effect knuckles in a very recent update. What would people bet that Square won't release some high end scythe, great axe, or great sword? That's probably more likely to happen than a significant increase in currency drops from some adjustment or new quests because then the goblins' speech wouldn't make sense any more, right?

Lastly, I want to note that the goblin NPC asked for 6200 byne for the dynamis scythe -> bec de faucon upgrade. Neither of the previous upgrades require byne. You can probably guess the currency for the third upgrade based on the one you haven't yet been asked for. But we know there are four upgrades and just three types of currency. I'm expecting a surprise at the 4th upgrade. :)

[Cybaster]

I dont think the 4th upgrade need currencies, because goblin is not part of them, the 3rd upgrade is actually the final relic, but the relic itself refuse to be part of your strength, and you need prove yourself worthy, by doing maybe some torture no one can imagine.

[sylvar]

Attaining the strongest weapon in the game is not meant to be easy, the person that did the Scythe upgrade had just recently completed stage 3, and its been a year since the release of Dynamis. (2/04) Where is the satisfaction of gaining something with little effort. Its admirable to see that some people are still going to continue this endeavor after seeing how incredibly tough it is. So good luck to those that are still working towards it. For those losing faith, the screen shot in question is from our very own server, phoenix.

Some info regarding the 3rd upgrade, after you turn in your currency, yes all 6200 of them, it takes a week for the weapon to be completed, after that the goblin no longer tells you what to do next so 4th stage is a mystery.
It is rumor that you need certain ws points from using the dynamis ws, so your weapon won't "talk" to you right away after you've completed 3rd upgrade, something must be done first.
That scythe ws can do 1100+ damage combined with sneak attack and it'll absorb half the damage into hp for the player. The damage does not depend on your tp so 100 or 300 tp you'll do the same damage. It also seems that each dynamis weapon has a different hidden affect and a special bonus for a duration after you use the new WS. For example using the dagger ws you get a bonus of increased critical hits for a while, minus emnity for a while for the gun ws and the impossible to gauge shock spike effect after using the polearm ws.

http://tarukumi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ here is a homepage of the dynamis dagger ws in action, left is with sneak attack, right is w/o

[General]

well i am on the 3rd upgrade now and i need the Attestation that goblin ask me so i dont no yet if i need 6300 byne bills yet tell i trade him Attestation.

[Shizune]

shock spikes Q_Q i think ill switch to lance

[Manatra]

Attaining the strongest weapon in the game is not meant to be easy, the person that did the Scythe upgrade had just recently completed stage 3, and its been a year since the release of Dynamis. (2/04) Where is the satisfaction of gaining something with little effort. Its admirable to see that some people are still going to continue this endeavor after seeing how incredibly tough it is. So good luck to those that are still working towards it. For those losing faith, the screen shot in question is from our very own server, phoenix.

Some info regarding the 3rd upgrade, after you turn in your currency, yes all 6200 of them, it takes a week for the weapon to be completed, after that the goblin no longer tells you what to do next so 4th stage is a mystery.
It is rumor that you need certain ws points from using the dynamis ws, so your weapon won't "talk" to you right away after you've completed 3rd upgrade, something must be done first.
That scythe ws can do 1100+ damage combined with sneak attack and it'll absorb half the damage into hp for the player. The damage does not depend on your tp so 100 or 300 tp you'll do the same damage. It also seems that each dynamis weapon has a different hidden affect and a special bonus for a duration after you use the new WS. For example using the dagger ws you get a bonus of increased critical hits for a while, minus emnity for a while for the gun ws and the impossible to gauge shock spike effect after using the polearm ws.

http://tarukumi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ here is a homepage of the dynamis dagger ws in action, left is with sneak attack, right is w/o
There is a difference between a challenge and frustration.

[Shizune]

and of course, attaining a final stage relic weapon is a challenge Q_Q-b
only those who can't equip AF they get would be frustrated Q_Q-b
*cough*

[Wrish]

There is a difference between a challenge and frustration.
Frustration is the term you use when you believe you're good yet the challenge overwhelms you. That's how the playing field is now. Everyone's good, but it's impossible for everyone or even just half of the veteran players to accomplish this over the next year. Not enough currency will drop, and our server isn't big enough on the high end (come on, only one NA dynamis LS on the first anniversary?).

I'm delighted to read Sylvar's input. Somewhere out there, wealth was concentrated enough on one server that a THF managed to collect all that currency and attain the 4th relic stage. The WS damage doesn't look amazing, but the 4th stage already looks neck-and-neck with Perseus' harpe, and I haven't even seen a THF with the latter.

[sylvar]

Its only 3rd stage (batardeau) but its still quite the accomplishment, there is still no word on whether you need currency for 4th. A lot of hints seem to point that you don't, whether its attaining a certain amount of ws points using the dynamis ws or just using it on the animated version in xacarbard. (probably some other stuff you need to do, the neopsyche for instance) The description on the fragments needed is "a fragment from a forbidden weapon name" so you probably get those by defeating the animated weapon nms.

Well, a lot of things in this game can be said to be frustrating, attaining the best (really?) weapon in the game is not necessary as say, getting your papyrus for limit one though... ^O^

And just a rumor... the person in the screen shots in question is deathknight from our server. As some of us might know, that person is always farming. If its something you really want to work for, then more power to you.

No one needs an excalibur or mandau or whatever other final weapon.

Oh new info, you do get the fragment by defeated the weapon nm. Here is a picture of animated knuckle dropping a mystic fragment. When someone aggroed the animated bow it kept /saying how we were unworthy and how it was bored. I'm not sure if we need to use the final ws on it to defeat it anymore as the people that got the drop just went crazy on it, all blms thundaga 4, rangers barrage and ws.
http://aruru.cosmos.ac/archives/000028.html

As for attestations... will we see this guy tonight? I wonder what job he is... The attestation nm seem to have random jobs everytime. ^O^ For the group that fought him he dropped the attestation for relic knuckles!

[Shizune]

hahaha the url .... cosmos.ac @@
good info btw Q_Q thanks

[NikkoShiva]

That thief "Matarinu" is on my server (Shiva) and i've seen him with that dagger at Aspi' camps for months.... 20 mil is doable with dedicated farming of the money/small HNM's, so some NA's with these weapons isnt far away. Key will be finding sources for currency. As of now, there are 4-5 NA ls's plus countless JP dynamis LS's on Shiva. Most sell all the dropped currency, so hopefully an NA with cash desides to upgrade soon, and we can see the truth in these weapons.

[Wrish]

Wow, the situation is so different on Phoenix: only one NA dynamis LS vs. 2-3 JP dynamis LS's at least. We have over 100 active members, but runs aren't flooded much because we run twice a week with few exceptions, meaning not everyone shows up to each run. The JP, in contrast, often run once a week (on weekends), and their zones usually have 35-50 people... haven't seen any tightly packed runs from them yet.

If each of Shiva's 4 NA dynamis LS's runs once a week, that's almost certainly more activity than what we have here on Phoenix.

Our LS doesn't vend currency to outsiders, but when I'm in Jeuno, I see ancient currency being listed at 6000-10000g each. The third upgrade seems to require 6000+ currency, so buying that straight from bazaars and counting the Jeuno tax, one would have to dish out at least 39.6 million gil. Then, a kraken club does go for 30 million+ heh...